For those of you who don’t already know this, I am a huge fan of The Wheel of Time series by the late Robert Jordan. It is nearing completion now, as Brandon Sanderson has stepped up to finishe the series. (He also co-hosts a writers podcast called Writing Excuses, take a listen if you have some time.)
If you havn’t read the series this post will mean very little to you, so go read up and come back when you are done… likely about six months from now.
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Once upon a time, before I began my own journey as a writer, I picked up the first book in the series. I have always loved fantasy stories, and needed a good hefty book to get me through a trip I was about to take. A friend at work reccomended the series, so I picked up the first book.
It was amazing.
As I worked my way through the series one of my best friends did as well, generally staying at about the same point as myself. We spent many hours discussing what had come before in the tale, and where we saw it going. In fact, we likely spent more time on theory-crafting what might come to pass than we did on actually reading the books.
We caught a lot of the little things, nuances, forshadowed events. Like the players of another wheel, the Wheel of Fortune, we were good at solving puzzles with only half the pieces.
In fact, if the two of us get together and watch any type of mystery on television our wives would leave the room, because we tended to spoil things for them by figuring out who did it before the heroes did.
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Years later, and many re-reads later I now see the story differently.
It’s still epicly awesome, at a level I don’t even aspire to in my own writing. The difference is that now I see more than just the story itself, I see the craftsmanship that went into it. I can see underneath the surface to the framework that it was built on.
All my plotlines are but houses of cards by comparison.
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Alrighty then enough mooning over the story.
Im not here for that, I’m here to make some predictions about how the story will unfold.
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You see, I started a complete reread of the series today, and I saw something that simply clicked.
I know now that the good guys will win.
What make me so certain you ask?
Simple. There is a passage in the prelude to the first book that tells you.
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“And it came to pass in those days, as it had come before and would come again, that the Dark lay heavy on the land and weighed down the hearts of men, and the green things failed, and hope died. And men cried out to the Creator, saying, O Light of the Heavens, Light of the World, let the promised one be born of the mountain, according to the prophecies, as he was in ages past and will be in ages to come. Let the prince of the morning sing to the land that green things will grow and valleys give forth lambs. Let the arm of the Lord of the Dawn shelter us from the Dark, and the great sword of justice defend us. Let the Dragon ride again on the winds of time.
(from Charal Drinnan te Calamon, the Cycle of the Dragon, author unknown, the Fourth Age.”
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Thats part of the prolog, before the maps and such, in the beginnig of the first book in the series. This next bit is literally the next paragraph of text, though it is several pages of artwork later.
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“The Wheel of Time turns, and Ages come and pass, leaving memories that become legend. Legend fades to myth, and even myth is long forgotten when the Age that gave it birth comes again. In one Age, called the Third Age by some, an Age yet to come, and Age long past, a wind rose in the Mountains of Mist. The wind was not the beginning, there are neither Beginnings nor endings to the turning of The Wheel of Time. But it was a beginning.”
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Those two paragraphs speak volumes once you have read the tale. We learn a lot as we go.
We know that one of the main characters of our tale is the Dragon Reborn. We become familliar with the prophecies that ere mentioned in the first paragraph. We see many of those events unfold. Actually I believe we have seen everything other than the Prince of the Morning singing to the land, though he is closely intertwined with it, even to the point of having a bubble of good weather and bountiful crops follow where he goes.
The most telling part of the passage is this. It was written in the Fourth Age.
It history, already happened, perhaps on it’s way to fading into legend by the time of the quote.
The Dragon Reborn, the Lord of the Morning, is referred to as the hero in that little snippet.
The winners write the history books.
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I could get a lot more into it, and likely will as my re-read continues, but for now I can read through knowing that the good guys will come out on top in the end.
So who wants to re-read with me?
Come on, its an excellent series, and the last book should be out later this year.
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The thought of re-reading the whole series makes my head hurt a little bit. How many pages is that if you add it all up?
With that said I don’t regret my investment in the series for a second, and I always recommend it to others. I’m sure I could gain a lot from a second pass through, but I just don’t feel ready. There are so many other amazing worlds to explore.
As sad as Robert Jordan’s death was, I think that having another writer explore his work has revealed far more about the plot and characters he crafted than we would ever have really known.
We have been waiting for the ending for a very long time, but the feeling that somehow the heroes will prevail has comforted me. How that will occur is going to be nothing less than truly epic, I am sure.
Even knowin it from the outset, I would have read the tale anyhow.
Like I have said in other places about other things, it’s not always about the destination. It’s about the journey.
I think Brandon has done a fantastic job finishing up the series so far. We’re getting to the end at long last and it’s time for the secrets to be revealed.
I started reading it when book 6 came out and started my first reread the day I finished book 6. I’ve already read the series 15 times though, so I’ll not be joining in the reread just yet. I generally do a full read whenever a new book comes out and I’ll read them again if I don’t have anything else I’d rather read and a few months before a new book comes out that I’m looking forward to.
As for the good guys winning? I don’t think any author in their right mind would string their readers along through a story this big only to have the last book reveal that the bad guys win. I could tell you that much without even reading the books.
True, but eventually the bad guys will win.
Simply based on the concept that the dark one exists outside of time and has a memory of each time the wheel turns, whereas the good guys are spun out with no memory of prior events. It’s just a matter of time, of the trial and error of different tactics, that the dark one will find a way to win.
Once he does, time stops and he stays the winner.
Rand and company may very well win this time, but there will come a time when they will fail.
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who’s to say that it wasn’t the previous 4th age?
and the fulfilment of prophesy does not equate to the good guys wining, merely a precursor.
But if even the myths are forgotten by the time the age that gave it birth comes again, then we should be talking about recent times.
Who is writing the books? Certainly not Loial. It’s an omniscient narrator, who can see into everyone’s perspective, and can quote from any turn of the Wheel it pleases.
If there is an argument that the good guys *never* lose, it’d be better to make it from the ‘alternate worlds’ we see in _The Great Hunt_ – that the good guys lose all the time (as basic common sense tells us they ought to’ve!), but the losing worlds are somehow ‘not real’ and never become the world we read about.
(Another interesting question is why Ishmael only seems to remember a finite – albeit extremely large – number of iterations. Does he eventually get balefired and removed from the Pattern entirely? And replaced by another overly ambitious & intelligent man?)
I agree and disagree.
Yes, the good guys will win, they almost always do.
However, the fact of the quote doesn’t mean they will win. If the Dark one breaks out, his hand will break the wheel and prophecy goes out the window (I do not have the quote in the book handy, but I believe it was from either Cadsuane or Verin)
Apparently the Wheel is very fragile, Balefire is so dangerous that it unravels existance, Birgitte got ripped out of the pattern ‘early’, Rand’s mood is sifficient to warp it, and bubbles of evil just pop up for additional chaos.
Basically, the good characters fight the dark one to keep the Wheel turning, the Dark one will break the Wheel if he gets out.
Agreed, one statement does not a proper theory make.
I also agree that the wheel is a bit on the fragile side, in fact it’s my opinion that given enough cycles the Dark One will eventually win. I just don’t think it will be this time. I also think we are in for some major sleight of hand (or would that be word) in the final book. I am a firm beleiver that someone quite close to Rand is in fact a turncoat. Someone that has been working all along to be in the right place at the right time to give the Dark One an edge.
I lean towards Cadsuane, though I have nothing to back it up but a gut feeling.
Unfortunately I kept it far briefer than I really should have to attempt to illustrate my point. After all, an 800 word blog post can’t hope to more than glance at the thousands of pages of text that make up the series. I shall have to do a better job on my follow up posts as I make my way through the series once again.
Originally this was intended as more of a “this is interesting, take a look” kind of thing I wrote for the 20 or so folks who normally stop by. I had no idea it might actually attract some attention from other folk.
Like another poster said, the good guys rarely ever lose in these fantasy series. You can pretty much assume they will win. Even if the Dark One has the advantage of memory of past ages and mistakes, he still works with faulty tools for one. The parts that are up in the air are who lives through the win and how costly it is. This usually, in my experience, depends on how dark the writer is and how much they want to chance losing fans to killing off favorite characters. I seriously doubt that Cadsuane is a traitor, but I do agree with you that someone high up and close to the main plot has yet to be revealed as a turn coat. That being said, it might be a bad guy going good, not necessarily a good guy turning on Rand and co. I could easily see, with the little bits of humanity still prescribed to the Forsaken, one of them jumping ship for instance.
The one thing that drives me nuts about this series is how easily things could be wrapped up and how the worst things that happen could have been easily avoided. It seems that they avoid telling each other things that would help tremendously out of pique and / or embarassment. If Rand, Mat and Perin compared notes on who they’ve made alliances with, married, etc they would have most of the pieces of the puzzle sitting in front of them ready to solve. Even if it was just Mat saying “Hey Rand, guess who I’m married to!” I understand a lot of the new weaves etc take getting used to, but I’ll be damned if the dark won could win if there was a little more communication and trust between that group that grew up together in Edmond’s Field.
I’m doubtful about bad guys turning good in WoT. Ingtar is pretty much the only example I can think of, and he wasn’t really a “bad” guy to begin with, just desperate.
I see little hope for the Forsaken since the death of Asmodean
It very well could happen that a bad guy or two will turn, though I thihnk it far more likely that it will be a good guy.
Once again, nothing solid to point to. I have learned over the years to listen to my gut though. (perhaps too much, hence the posts about losing weight on my blog)
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I think that since we get a snippet of Loial’s book in from the 4th age before the prologue in ToM… well, that just says it all right there.
During a reading in Paris last December, Brandon Sanderson told us he had not yet started on the last volume. So I fear it is not going to appear for another 18 months…
Brandon is usually a pretty fast writer, and parts of the final volume are already written. If I were a gambling man I would put money on the book being completed by the end of the year (2011 that is)
I’m halfway through the Eye of the World on my own re-read of the wheel of time series, its my first re-read of this series and i can’t beleive how different the book now seems as to when i first started. Especially Min’s viewings, which in the beggining meant very little to me at that time.
Exactly what I was getting at.
There is so much foreshadowing in the series that it’s really incredible that Mr. Jordan was able to keep everything straight. He had to know how the entire series was going to go before he sat down to write the first book to make that happen. That level of craftsmaship is amazing.
The Traitor (Bad Guy) is obviously Mazrim (M’hael) and I think he’s somehow messed with Moridin or he is somekinda of a new Forsaken, or turned with 13 Black Sisters and 13 Murdraal… but something weird is happening in the Black Tower and I’m eager to find out what
I have no doubt that Taim is up to on good, but that is far to obvious a choice. I also think he is more intended to be Logain’s foe than Rand and company. Just a hunch.
I think the traitor will be someone that folks do not suspect, but then look back and say to themselves “how the hell did I miss that?”
If the question is ‘Will the Dark One achieve absolute victory?’ then the answer is ‘Of course not!’. RJ (and BS) keep stringing along the potential for such annihilation, and that’s fine. The existential dread brought on by the fear that the world can and might end is not ineffective in ratcheting up the tension that a 13 book series requires.
But if we’re reading WoT, chances are we’ve encountered some or all of David Eddings, LotR, Weis & Hickman, Thomas Covenant I & II, and many more. Evil never wins absolutely. But the sacrifice of those who stand against it can be more than a reader can bear…and the true form of the showdown between heroism and malevolence is often not at all the one that a reader expects. These two themes of WoT, are where I’m expecting the great moments of the final volume.
For instance: the ‘Fisher’ game-piece as a symbol of Rand’s position/fate v. the idea that the Rand’s role is that of a battle-general leading the final charge at Shayol Ghul.
…and, is the sacrifice of the Aiel–as foreseen by Aviendha–the price to be paid for the Shadow’s defeat
This is an old discussion, but I wanted to point out that while in Sandersen’s books the good guys win, he has no problem sacrificing the main characters to do so. I suspect this may be way Jordan felt he was the correct match to finish the series.
I don’t think the bad guys have won in previous ages in WOT, BUT I think the good guys have all died each time to ensure that evil is held off, never defeated, but held off for the final showdown. Tarmon Gai’don. Does this mean there was a Tarmon Gai’don in each age? I don’t know. I don’t think when the bores were sealed last time that was considered Tarmon Gai’don. Hard to say.